Meeting of President Rodrigo Roa Duterte with Mr. Peter Lim

Davao City

16 July 2016

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Kanang ayokong bakakong (ayaw ko ng sinungaling). Patawag na kong tanang units operating ta silang may— tanang PDEA, intelligence, PNP, NBI, ah—- ‘di ba kaw pinagsuspetsahan kang drug lord ka?

PETER LIM: Yes

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: inimbestigar ka sa Congress? What year?

MR. LIM: Ah 1997 dito… Yeah, 1997 then 2001, I’m not so sure about the years, Mr. President

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Wala kang mag abot sa Congress? I remember nga, congressman ‘ko, there was an investigation. I don’t know, taga Cebu. Golez na.. Nakaappear ka bang Golez na law and order committee?

MR. LIM: Wala

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: (Bisaya)… Chinese na involved sa droga… Tanang.. mangutangon ngunit? Nagbanta ko na sige kang in and out sa Pilipinas, I dunno asa imong paduong pero tinuod na. Regular commuter ka?

MR. LIM: Kaayo, Mr. President, mostly pamilya basta ma— holy week, gawa si mga anak ko, usually holy week, we are here, our whole family, mama na ko, mga anak.

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Wa kayo ka istorya dito sa China ng droga?

MR. LIM: Wala gyud. Sag kausa Mr. President, wala gyud.

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Warningan taka ha, nagbanta ko na ipapatay ta ka kasi tinuod lang (totoo) ipapapatay kita basta masilip na…

MR. LIM: Sige

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Tiwasan ta ka… tinuod, tiwasan ta ka. So tug ani sinuog mano sabi (sabihin mo sino ang nagsabi).. Nganong musulpot man imong pangalan?

MR. LIM: sa ano.. Mr. President… sa.. Ito muna, gusto ko magdena sa (inaudible) sa newspaper na alias ‘Peter Lim’ pag uman, nag kuan si Cong. Cuenco —

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Resolution to problems?

MR. LIM: Oo na imbestigahan. Buhat sa investigation na regarding Congress. De primero na pag kuan adtu, na daghan negosyante sa Cebu, dagli ako noog department store, dagli mga motel, dagli mga jewelries, tana nagi kuan nagi Cerge Remonde na column na kuan ba, ilang imbestigahun, yung butang na supply ceiling wa kunu heavy equipment so nagbuhat na Congresional hearing si kuan—

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Cuenco?

MR. LIM: Si Cuenco, oo.

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Walay sunod?

MR. LIM: ______ Unless…

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: I will advise you strongly na magsubmit ka to investigation.

MR. LIM: Yes, sir—

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Sa akon panahon

MR. LIM: Opo

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: And ah pag kuan wala pa nama ____ … masiguro taga nimo. I will execute you pero pag wala ka, you better go to the investigating agency — NBI. Dun nalang Manila pero if you have the time, you may want to bring along a lawyer. Walay problema na, it’s a Constitution— d ka kailangan ma-adlok. Magdala ka abogado idtu ka kang either kang sa NBI nga coming ka, direcho ka lang sa NBI o ___ makikita ka ng balita ng Secretary of Justice.. uniha. ______. i-review nila ang ebidensya pero we would be gladly fair. Walay, wala tayoaway, wala kami utang na loob sa imo as of now, wala kami nakita ikaw na Peter Lim pero na ay Peter Lim sige sulpot ng pangalan mo, doon ako na ano sige commute sa Pilipinas o maynila, sunod balik nimo, airport tiwasan talaga. Actually tiwasan talaga. Dili ___ tiwasan talaga. Mauna mong tanang ebidensya sa Congress. Pag wala kay _____ . you open your life and your hand, sige tan awan

MR. LIM: Salamat

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Kadtu mga testigos, pwede nimong abogado abogado nimo ipatawag.. ______

If you want _____ mag confrontation ka sa tanang mga tao kung ikaw ang tinuod na the true identity na Peter Lim but I will admit now na daghang Peter Lim sa Pilipinas. Pero unfortunately, tinuod lang, ikaw and ako Chinese.. I have nothing against Chinese— Filipino-Chinese. My father is— or was pero nasasaktan, nasakit… ang drugs, it has corrupted the police, it has worked hardships for everybody. Nakakaawa ang mga na-diha wala na nga eh, lalo yang mga bangag na gyud, wala na, di na makakalabas yan because… tanong ko lang: shabu, unlike cocaine and heroin, it grows naturally, poppy na. Ang s Shabu, it’s cooked with chemicals and it reduces the brain to its… Problema so ang taong naka shabu, wala talaga… there’s no true— no such thing as complete rehabilitation. So we have about estimated sa PDEA ni adtu 3 million ang naigo tanang naisurrender na miniscule. Meron kanina? Oo. so problema _pero sa una namo, may 3 million pa adtu na ang lawas, with mangawat, holdup, mangidnap, patay basta ang gobyerno ang opisyal muna diha that is why suko kaayo because I love my country

MR. LIM: Yes, sa buot ko

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Taga Danao, Cebu. Suko____ d ko taguin yung galit ko, talagang galit ako and walay let up. By and for any chance naaga, better stop it pero pag wala paki _ nalang because I will really look for you.

So ako wala akong order of operation, I am declaring war against the drug industry.

MR. LIM: I am with you all the way gyud, Mr. President.

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Maayo. So, I would conclude na dili ikaw ng Peter Lim na drug lord.

MR. LIM: I would not say, Mr. President na hundred percent. I would say na 500 percent. Wa gyud taon. Kaya ____ there was a time down ang negosyo, na bankrupt ang papa, mama. _____ Magnegosyo ka na.. he toldour family: son, _ kwarta wala tayo makakaon. ______

_ mabankrupt na ta, panahi, para maibalik,.. ayaw gyud intra ng drugs maka daot sa laylayan ng pamilya

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: so wala ikaw maki istorya bay,

MR. LIM: wala gyud ____

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: ____ kita sa lugar dito tayo mag usap.

MR. LIM: ako pasalamat ko because itong presidenteng, you are a very busy person, giving me the chance— time and the chance to talk to you about the problem that I am having now. Pasalamat.

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: Ako, I will not say I’m sorry because the reason why you nga ni you are a suspected drug lord. I will consider your explanation. But just the same, para mawala na ngani ang bahid, you better submit again sa akon watch pa investigate ka sa Congress. Wala akong pakialam mayor lang ako pero _ pero presidente na ko and I declared war against drug, shabu industry, ang akon mga target gyud, mga drug lords.

MR. LIM: Mr. President, kung in any way, in my small way or what, I could be of help, I will really help.

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: You know, ganito ‘yan eh. Ang rationale kasi ng trabaho natin is, we are paid by the people to work eight hours a day. Bayad tayo. So ‘pag inindian mo ang tao, eh wala ka sa opisina mo kagaya dito ng national, local, pareho rin — after lunch break, na nasa mga mall, papasyal-pasyal, pag nangyari yan ulit, I will dismiss ka sa — and I would like to ask PAGCOR to prohibit lahat ng taga gobyerno, pati yung mga asawa, pamilya, to deny them entrance sa mga casinos.

I do not want people lalo na sa gobyerno, papasok-pasok dyan sa… o nasa gobyerno ka, yan lang ang kikitain mo, bakit ka magsugal doon? Lalo na sa ano… I will direct Andrea Domingo to.. Nung panahon ni Presidente Marcos, barred ang mga… tsaka kung gastos ng tao, ‘wag kayong sumakay ng eroplano ng mga First Class o Mabuhay. Hanggang Economy lang tayo. Sabihin ninyo, magdagdag kayo ng pera doon sa Economy, ganun rin, kalahati ng binayad ninyo, pera ng tao. Saka wala na yung purchases ng luxury cars, suburvan. You do not have that right to spend the people’s money ng ganun. Tayong mga gobyerno, ang ligaya pero yung tao ang nagbayad niyan, hanggang ngayon, gutom. That is my.. I hope you that you take note of that and tell the guy there in Manila.

Mahirap yan, lalo na yung taga gobyerno, either dito sa pulis o sa registrar, whatever, civil, or yang (inaudible) pabalik-balik yan, walang papel, walang ganun. Basta mag complain. I have to set up the 88-88. ‘Pag na-activate ‘yan, tawag lang kayo, the Filipino people, just call — that will be based in Malacanang. We will immediately investigate.

PRESIDENT DUTERTE: ‘Yung binabalik-balik, kinokontak namin yung nag-complain sa letters of the editor. I will call the particular employer there pati yung chief niya, to explain why they should not be dismissed from the government service. Estafa yan e, hindi yan nakaw pero bayaran kita, sige magbayad ako sayo, o trabahunin mo ito ha, linisan mo itong pagtapos bayaran kita, yan ang sweldo mo ng araw na yan. Tapos maghagbas ka lang diyan ng ilang metro, alisan mo, that’s estafa. Actually, technically itong mga taga gobyerno, when you are not there to serve the people. At tsaka pabalik balikin ninyo, you are committing estafa, hindi lang nga ano—it’s not clearly defined but the act is actually swindling. It’s under Article 18 of the Revised Penal Code. All the forms of swindling, you are swindling the people.

Tama ba yun, bayad ka ng otso oras tapos andiyan ka lang dalawa, tatlo pasyal pasyal, ‘di bale yan sa barangay. Eh field work yan, they’re out sa field work kasi field work nga ang nakalagay so go out to the community. Pero yan de- opisina, opisina ‘to, trabaho kayo, at least sa six years ako mamuno sa gobyerno sunod kayong lahat, lahat.

Wala na yung – pagkatapos ng lunch break wala diresto na kung saan-saan pumunta. Pag may nagreport sakin, yung kapwa mo taga-gobyerno, kung yung chief mo sige labas, sumbong mo sakin, yung nagsumbong sakin ikaw ang ilagay ko dun chief, pati yung chief mo ilagay ko dun. Kung clerk ka, edi clerk siya.

Be courteous,–alam mo kasi there is a – metamorphosis nga eh. Pag magpasok sa gobyerno mag-iba na utak, para na tuloy siyang naka posisyon tapos yung tao nagbayad sa kanya, all departments yan. I do not want people from—going back and forth, this is the procedure, i-finalize ko pa ito sa… I have no time to meet because everybody is busy, kaka-take over lang namin sa gobyerno. So we’re kind of really busy, matapos kami alas-kwatro – alas-singko.

Ganito yan, pag nag punta sa opisina ang magtanong, paano makakuha ng permit o clearance o lisensya o whatever, sabihin mo lang, give him/her a shopping list. Yung requirements, i-produce mo ganun, tapos yung tax – ganito medical certificate o birth certificate. Huwag mong pagkatapos pagkabigay mo sa tao huwag mung dagdagan, kasi pagbalik niya sabihin naman ninyo meron palang kulang. Mahilig kayo mangwarta e, so pabalik-balikin , lalo na yung mahirap.

Ang Pilipino ang hilig magbayad sa kalokohan, ngayon pagka natapos nya yan, na produce niya lahat yan, tanggapin na ninyo ilabas na ninyo ang permit. Ngayon may I require all, na pag may— mag log book – hindi sa – yung tao sa gobyerno ilagay ninyo, receive the application for make ganun, for the inspection meet or whatever. Tapos papirmahin mo yung tao, tignan mo yung work load ninyo sa opisina. You make projections, sige balik ka dito ma’m/sir next week at this hour.

Bigyan ninyo ng stub, pag balik niya, ibigay nya, irelease ninyo. Kayong nakikinig ngayon buong sambayanan ng Pilipino, if the behavior of the government employee concern the office does not follow that rule, sumbong mo sakin, sumbong mo sakin.

And I will take action immediately, yung mga empleyado na wala diyan, somewhere I said the—I will work for your dismissal on government, basta pabalik-balikin mo, yung paghingi ng pera, the slightest whisper na magsumbong ang tao sakin na, “mayor binibigyan – hiningan ako nito,” tapos ka. Maglikay—umiwas yan maglikay mo, sabi ni sir. Kasi, basta may sumbong sakin. Dito sa Davao ganun. Pag nagsumbong yan pinapag tawag ko talaga, o busy, however busy I am. I would listen to the – yung maganda ang pilipinas it’s a fracture, walang sumusunod, tingnan mo sa daan, traffic, grabe paano di matatraffic, andiyan sa gitna. And they excuse, kasi mahirap lang kami, that is not an excuse to me. Huwag mong damayan ang Republika ng Pilipinas just because mahirap ka, puro dito mga bleeding hearts—human right, mga mahirap.

Kaya gusto ninyo, kayo ang – I will create a committee that –kayo ang magpatakbo sa gobyerno, the anti-crime campaign, kayo. you—you work on a —an appointment date, mag-usap tayo, ibibigay ko lahat, walang problema sige—kayo ang – mahirap kasi – madali mag-atake, sabihin na namatay. Sabihin namatay dahil mahirap lang, is that an excuse, then you want to fool the whole world dahil mahirap lang, kalokohan yan.

The world will never stop to turn because you are poor, that is not excuse to destroy society. Di lang naman ito nagnanakaw, kita mo pag andiyan na yung kati ng katawan mo sa shabu, magholdap ka, magnakaw ka, patayin mo pa, pag nabangag ka, patayin mo tatay mo, mang rape ka ng –human rights, eh yung mga yan. Sabi nga ng forensic expert, e who use or o ano ba sa Tagalog yung—co— use sa tal…. so how can we solve the problem? We do not have the—- maraming problema sa gobyerno.

I have to build regional, itong drug rehabilitation. I would need time but the law and order cannot wait. Naiintindihan ninyo? Kakaupo lang namin there is crime in the streets. People are getting raped, robbed, pati mga nanay, tatay patayin, I cannot wait na sabihin mo na magkapera tayo. the best thing to do is call the barangay, and I will charge also the barangay captains who do not do anything about it.

Kung wala kayo magawa.. the report to you hanapan mo ng activity. Palaruin mo ng basketball, pakainin mo, sayang ang pera ng gobyerno. At itong lakbay aral ma sige kayo pasyal kahit ano ng probinsya that will stop, i will not allow it anymore. Just wasting the money of the people and the guys of education. Parang maynila may isa pa dito sa davao mag lakbay aral sa Hong Kong baka gusto mo ipakain yung papel sa kanya .. thegoal to— mahirap yan. Itong panahon ito hirap ang taga gobyerno. BIR, stop it. Customs, andiyan si Faeldon, he should stop it. Yung pahingi hingi sa tao lisenysa pag sabi, magkano ba magkuha ng lisensya? P300 o magdala ng P500 kasi di lalabas yan kung di ka mabayad. Kaya dun journal titingnan. I will require na may journal, natanggap na ninyo huwag sa computer. Magbili kayo ng local governments ng computer.

At saka ang dumi ng Pilipinas, the mayors are not doing anything. There is trash and garbage around and if you—you have to wait for the plastics to go inside the drainage so everytime there’s downfall, excessive rain, water nagkaclog. wala yung— you know mayor kayong mga mayor discretionary funds. Governors may discretionary funds kayo I will look into it. I will create a special team. I will review pati yung intelligence funds ninyo, yan ang pinaka madali mapasok sa bulsa. Yung mga mayor na hindi performing, you make your city clean and peaceful kaya kayo bayad e, kaya kayo nasa opisina nyo kakaganda.Binibili nyo furniture, ganda ng kotse, yung iba Land Cruiser Suburvan. Hindi na kayo nahiya?, nabasa ko sa []…na tuloy ang sweldo ng military i said i have to –baka di lang nakuha .

The stability of the government, greatly depends on the law enforcement and the security workers, pag wala yan ubos yan,.
But I cannot run with a corrupt police and the corrupt military.Ngayon as it is — as the as the situation evolves now, wala man lang military, that’s all in the police. Kaya kayong mga pulis na andiyan sa droga you make a choice. Resign, and do not wait for my action, nakikiusap ako sa inyo.

At saka yung mga pulis pati militar alam ko maliit ang sweldo ninyo, kaya kung may mga ganung sakit, God forbid yung asawa mo mag cancer ganun huwag lang magbenta ng shabu, pumunta ka sakin. Sabihin mo sa superior down- down the line “Sir, pakisabi lang kay mayor na asawa ko na sa kuwan,” I will look for the money. Alam ko na hirap talaga, that- that’s why—di naintindihan ng tao, I’m not trying to attribute the anything at anybody. Hindi ninyo naiintindihan, I said I repeat that i cannot govern a corrupt military and corrupt police, walang mangyayari satin nito.

That’s why, maski na maliit lang doblado yung sweldo unahin ko because the stability ng ating Republic greatly depends on how the security force and military and the police would make it. Di naman tayo babaligtad – sige mangurakot o , pero pag ang military pati ang pulis naga-ganun – baligtad tayo, sila yung may armas . So intindihin natin ang situation nila, I’m not asking them to—I know how hard it is. Kasi I’ve been Davao, 30 years ako dito including congressman and vice mayor .. Tingnan mo yung mga pulis yung naniniwala, punta ng Mamasapano edi patay. Wala ng explanation, bakit walang re-inforcement, walang tulong, maghinanakit ako kasi I—I said 30 years ako na – they would run to me yung mga problema nila- -kaya sabi ko kung may problema kayong malaki di talaga kaya ng bulsa , huwag magbenta ng shabu punta kayo sakin, hanap ako ng pera.

MR. LIM: Sir President, thank you very much for giving me time and opportunity to clear myself .

PRESIDENT DIUTERTE: So okay, you are not Peter Lim? but I said my suggestion is good, you go to NBI or might want to pass the office of Secretary Calida or the SolGen or – it [] pala Vit Aguirre sa Justice

Peter Lim: What Agencies could do the investigation?

President Duterte: Na andiyan ,NBI will ano, alert

Peter Lim : So, I could clear up everthing because my family is really in deep problem now in Cebu.

President Duterte : we want to help YOU

Peter Lim: yEah, all the treat

President Duterte: help us – help us clear you, tulungan mo kami to clear you, w are not here to pin down the innocent

Peter Lim: I’m very glad to hear that Mr. President

President Duterte : Huwag ka maniwala na—

Peter Lim : I’m innocent, I’m innocent

President Duterte : Pero and Drug Lord talaga magalit ako, maiinit ako, pero yang andiyan—di ko trabaho yan.

Peter Lim : So anyway, I will help, all my ways I can

President Duterte : Good. Salamat

Peter Lim : Salamat Mr. President

President Duterte : Sorry I cannot save you

Peter Lim : Yes, i understand , if I’m not clear, I don’t dare, I will put up my hands to you because our nation is very lucky to have you because without you i dont know. You are the only President who could save our nation

President Duterte : Thank you

Peter Lim: you really mean business, and too many victims already in the country

President Duterte : Sige po